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Founded for impact: Why an evidence-first approach is more urgent than ever.
The language of evidence has become common in EdTech. Websites often cite Hattie, Rosenshine, or Bloom’s Taxonomy. Sales pitches reference cognitive science. Claims of being research-grounded have multiplied to the point where it has become harder โ not easier โ for school leaders to know what they actually mean.
Shane Smith co-founded Education Perfect with his brother Craig in 2007, and has watched that dynamic develop from a unique vantage point. When Education Perfect launched as Language Perfect, the principles built into the product, including the testing effect, spaced repetition, and deliberate practice, came not from a marketing brief, but from a genuine preoccupation with how people learn.
In this conversation with Dr Jill McGuire and James Santure, Smith offers a framework for thinking about the three stages EdTech companies typically move through in their relationship with evidence. The first cherry-picks research that broadly aligns with an existing product. The second maps features to recognised frameworks and treats that as sufficient. The third, which Smith describes as the most defensible and the hardest to reach, requires demonstrating that a specific implementation of a research principle actually produces the outcomes the underlying research predicts, in real classrooms, with real students.
That framework is a useful lens for school leaders evaluating any tool. The question it puts on the table is not whether a product references the research, but whether the company can show that its implementation of that research moves the dial for students.
“Teachers and students have limited time in their day. I think we have a duty of care to ensure that they are spending this precious time in a way that is really going to move the dial for their students.” โ Shane Smith, co-founder of Education Perfect
What this episode covers:
- The three stages EdTech companies move through in their relationship with evidence, and what the third stage actually requires to reach.
- Why citing research in a sales pitch is not the same as implementing it in a way that produces measurable outcomes for students in real classrooms.
- The persistent tension between what feels engaging to learners and what produces durable learning, and how product design navigates it.
- How AI-powered feedback can close the loop on open-ended student responses, and why the design choices around what the AI does for students matter enormously.
- The opportunity cost framing: why every minute a teacher or student spends with a tool is a deliberate choice worth making carefully.
About the guest
Shane Smith is co-founder of Education Perfect, which he founded with his brother Craig in 2007 as Language Perfect. He returned to guide EP’s AI initiatives after the platform had grown into one of the largest secondary EdTech providers across Australia, New Zealand and Canada. His background is in medicine, and the learning science principles the original platform was built on came from personal reading habits shaped well before those ideas entered mainstream education discourse.
Meet the hosts
Dr Jill McGuire and James Santure host Well-MeasurED, Education Perfect’s interview series exploring what the evidence says about teaching, learning and the tools schools use. Jill leads Learning Innovation at EP; James leads Product Impact. Both bring years of experience working alongside teachers and school leaders across Australia, New Zealand and Canada.
Dr. Jill McGuire
Group Head, Learning Innovation, Education Perfect
James Santure
Head of Product Impact, Education Perfect
Resources
Our Impact
Explore the evidence and research behind Education Perfectโs impact on learning.
Further resources
Don’t have time to listen to the entire episode?ย Read the blog diving into this episode’s key takeaways.
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